Challenging the Culture with Truth

with Larry Kutzler and Esteemed Guests

CitySites Urban Media presents a new Podcast every Friday. We want you to hear from people who are making a difference, and we hope our Podcasts bring you a perspective that isn't taught in today's Christianity. Be sure to listen to our Podcast every Friday!

Sabbath with Pastor Jay Christianson

Why is Sabbath an important observation for believers in God? Why was Sabbath in the Ten Commandments? In this episode, Larry talks with Pastor Jay Christianson, Founder of HighBeam Ministry, on the topic of Sabbath. Listen in as they unpack the meaning of this practice in our faith journey. Visit HighBeam Ministry

Is the Gospel Intense? with Larry Kutzler

The culture is changing and is becoming more and more against Christian values. There are those who say that if our Christian values don’t comply and become supportive of the cultural mandates, we will be seen as combatants in our society. The pressure will increase until we give in … we have seen that reality happen with the homosexual revolution. Christians now are slowly accepting the homosexual lifestyle as acceptable to God. What a lie! What a crime against the truth of God’s Word!  We are called to love everyone, to forgive everyone, and to tell the truth to everyone. Loving and forgiving is what we do fairly well in the church, but we are lacking in telling the truth. Scripture teaches us to tell the truth in love … but the mandate is clear, “tell the truth.” In this episode, we tell the truth.

Gender Identity with Luca Jo Groppoli and Chris Heeb

Luca Jo Groppoli is a woman who for many years of her life lived a transgender lifestyle as a man. Luca Jo was abused as a young girl, and thought that by becoming a boy it would spare her, but it actually did the opposite. Luca Jo was told at the age of 17 that she needed to have a sex change. Luca Jo tells us how one pastor and one church loved her through this journey, and the years of tumultuous living left scars on her life but love sought her out and marked her with joy and peace. Luca Jo’s mission is to minister to those struggling with their sexual and gender identity, while standing for truth and the healing power of the Gospel. Luca Jo speaks candidly and shares her journey with us, the pain in her life, and being healed by the power of Jesus in this fascinating and spell-binding episode.

The Unseen Enemy with Chris Heeb

When Jesus sent His disciples out on their own to minister to people, He told them to do some extremely unusual things. He told them to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, and cast out demons. That was their assignment. Can you imagine what they felt as they went out for the first time with this assignment?  It was a true test of faith. In this episode, I talk with Chris Heeb about the unseen enemy … the enemy that affects everything in our lives but is often ignored most by those of us who practice faith.

Answering Tough Question with Shawn Morrison 

Tough questions are always hard to field with good responses because there are so many answers that could be applied, but when we are truth followers there really is only one response.  That response, of course, belongs to the Lord. In this episode, I talk with Reverend Shawn Morrison about some tough questions being asked today.

Pushing Back the Darkness with Larry Kutzler 

There is a fear about confronting the social issues of our day. I am referring to the issues that take on the moral issues that are in opposition to the Scriptures. So many of us would rather be quiet than to fight with someone. I understand that, yet, at the same time if we never push back on the issues that affect us all, those issues slowly become acceptable. In this episode, we are pushing back.

The Intensity of the Gospel with Larry Kutzler

The Gospel isn’t about church services with hymns, prayers, and sermons. We use these to make a case for the Gospel, and is the practice of most Christians around the world. There is nothing wrong in this practice, with one exception … this is not the Gospel. The Gospel of Jesus Christ demands its followers to be completely committed to the message of the Cross. Nothing  is more important than what Jesus did for us, and there is no greater reward than what we are promised as a result of the Cross. In this episode, Larry will challenge you to think again about your own commitment to Jesus and how much of His message controls your life.

Accountability with Pastor Ross Tenneson

In recent years, we have seen many national Christian leaders fail, and this raises the question about accountability. Most ministries do not have any systems to help Christian leaders from failing morally, and yet it is critical to maintain some kind of accountability for those who lead the church. In this episode, Larry talks with Pastor Ross Tenneson about the church he serves and how they handle this issue among their leadership.

Slothfulness with Riley Carpenter

Lately, I've been doing some interviews with young pastors in training. In this episode, I have another one of these future leaders in the church. Riley Carpenter is in seminary now, training to be a pastor. We talk about one of the seven deadly sins … slothfulness. I think you will enjoy Riley’s history lesson, and a personal application on this theme.

The Journey with Larry Kutzler

The Apostle Paul was a very spiritual man. He learned much of his insight through the suffering of bringing the Gospel to a hostile world. Once again, we live in a post-Christian world where many of the prominent ideas of our day are not based upon a Judeo-Christian foundation. Join Larry in this episode, as he talks about the journey of living a Christian life in a post-Christian era.

A Course Correction Sign? with Larry Kutzler

During this Coronavirus outbreak, we want to hear from God and be proactive in how we make the kind of changes He is directing us to make. In this episode, Larry talks about the course correction that we sense God is presenting to us. Are we listening? Are we paying attention to the signs of the times and to the Scriptures as they speak to us? Larry challenges us to make the changes that are necessary to grow in Christ and be courageous in walking through to the other side of this virus.

Cancel Culture and Grace with Walt McFadden

Pastor Walt McFadden has been a pastor for over 30 years, and has been pastoring at Cityview Church in Minneapolis for the past 15 years. His focus is discipleship and the mentoring of the next generation. He is my guest in this episode, and he 'Thinks Out Loud' on the Cancel Culture and Grace. Visit Cityview Church

Heart of the Father with Dr. David Nichols

My guest has been literally around the world bringing the healing message of Jesus Christ. Dr. David Nichols has been a college professor, author, and conference speaker. In 2000, he established a ministry of healing known as the Heart of the Father Ministries. David and Sherry Nichols have preached the Gospel to over one million people face-to-face with over 350,000 responding to receive Jesus as their Savior. Twice they have ministered to over 100,000 people at one place at one time in South India. They are promoting the healing Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth! In this episode, Dr. David Nichols shares about healing and his healing ministry. Visit Heart of the Father Ministries

The Nature of Policing with Bill Breimhorst

Policing like so many areas of authority in our society have been under attack for some time, and it continues to be in the news. For example, the recent trial of Derek Chavin accused of killing George Floyd. Chavin was convicted of three counts of murder. Most people following this case felt justice was served in the jury’s decision to convict. I am not here to debate the verdict, it was decided by a jury and that settles it for me. However, I am concerned about the nature of policing our cities moving forward. In this episode, my guest is Bill Breimhorst, a former police officer and currently a pastor in a Western Suburb of the Twin Cities. You will enjoy his calm demeanor and his insights into today's policing. Visit Bill Breimhorst

Defy the Darkness with Larry Kutzler

It becomes easy for most of us to curse the darkness because it is so egregious. Yet, many times that is all we do … we complain about it. Darkness always behaves like its creator, Satan, and it always hides from the truth. Darkness loves to agitate, deceive, and more and more people refuse to push back because of the personal high cost of offending the cancel culture. In this episode, Larry talks about pushing back and defying the darkness.

Next Generation Preachers with Kenneth Garnados

What will the preachers be like in the next generation? Will they uphold the principles of faith of the previous generations? Have we mentored our youth in our congregations to reflect the Gospel? Have we developed the kind of disciples that will change the world for God? Well, I decided to ask a young man whose career path is to be a pastor in the near future. Kenneth Garnados will soon graduate from the Christian University he has been attending with his goal of preparing for the ministry. In this episode, I talk with Kenneth about his generation, and his plans for future ministry.

You Reap What You Sow with Pastor Tom Parrish

There is a spiritual principle that tells us that we will reap what we sow. If we build our lives on the wrong things, we will end up with a life that is off course and away from God. Reaping what we sow is a principle that Pastor Tom Parrish, a prolific writer and teacher of God's Word, shares with us in this episode. This principle is applied to the church and the ramifications are simple. If we don’t sow spiritual seed into the lives who attend our churches, we then can’t expect a healthy spiritual congregation. Visit Tom Parrish

Hippies and Jesus with Steven Uggen

When I became a Christian back in the early 1970’s there was a movement known as the Jesus People Revival, and these were primarily people coming out from the hippie movement of that era. Churches were not ready for the long hair and barefoot new converts coming to Christ. In time, churches either adapted to these new hippie believers or new churches sprang up to accommodate them. Today, we do better at accepting people into our churches, but I’m not sure we are challenging them to be the kind of followers Jesus is looking for in order to fulfill the Great Commission. In this episode, Larry talks with Steven Uggen, a man whose ministry is trying to get the church to realize that it may be falling short in making disciples.

Crossroads Chapel Podcast

Helping Hands with Shawn Morrison and Shawn Jones

Jesus said the poor will be with us always, and throughout Scripture we are encouraged to help those in need. They lack resources … spiritually, educationally, occupationally, security, and food. In this Crossroads Chapel Podcast episode, Shawn Morrison, Executive Director of Good in the ‘Hood, and Shawn Jones, President of the Crossroads Chapel, share how their Ministries help those in need by offering resources, food, and even shoes. We might not be able to eliminate poverty but we are called to help the suffering of those we can. Visit the Crossroads Chapel

Crossroads Chapel Podcast

Addiction & Recovery with Terry Francis

Let me introduce you to a ministry that has been sharing the Gospel at the Minnesota State Fair for more than sixty years. The Crossroads Chapel, also known as Chapel at the Fair, is a welcoming place where millions of fairgoers enjoy live performances by Christian musicians, and buy fine religious-inspired books and merchandise at their Bookstore and Gift Shop. Besides worship services and entertainment, the Chapel at the Fair offers drop-in prayer and free Bibles. The Prayer Station ministers to the prayer needs of anybody who asks for prayer, and they are offered love, hope, peace, and a Word of Life from the Lord God Almighty. The leadership of the Crossroads Chapel is permanently extending the twelve days they usually spend at the Fair to do ministry all year around. One of those extended ministry options is a podcast, and that is what I would like to share with you. This Crossroads Chapel Podcast features Terry Francis from the Minnesota Adult and Teen Challenge, and he shares the misery of addiction and the hope of recovery in Jesus Christ. Visit the Crossroads Chapel

Presenting the Gospel? with Steve Krumlauf

Have we changed the way we present the Gospel? Have our themes in radio ministry and from our pulpits changed in the way we present the Gospel? Those are good questions. Some claim we have because we have watered down the Gospel in order to be accepted by a larger audience. Steve Krumlauf, a veteran radio broadcaster since 1961, joins Larry in this episode as they talk about what the Gospel is and how we have changed it in our presentations.

Red Letter Christians with Chris Heeb

There have been many movements in the church since I started my career in ministry. We’ve had the Prosperity Movement, the Jabez Prayer Movement, the Dominion Movement, the Seeker Sensitive Movement and on and on. Now, we have the Red Letter Christian Movement. This separates the Words of Jesus from the rest of Scripture and prioritizes them as more important than the rest of the Bible. Of course, we all know the Bible is the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation, so this movement seems out of step with the whole revelation of God found in the Scriptures. Chris Heeb from the Crossroads Chapel joins Larry and they unpack this Red Letter Christian Movement. Visit the Crossroads Chapel

Conscience and Conviction with Shawn Morrison

Shawn Morrison is a pastor and the Executive Director of Good in the ‘Hood, a non-profit organization that works with those dealing with poverty in urban communities. Shawn is a Thought Leader and is one of those people you go to when questions arise about spiritual issues. In this episode, Shawn and Larry talk about the importance of our conscience and our convictions that we establish as guides in our lives. Visit Good in the ‘Hood

Refuge for Women with Karen Diers

Refuge for Women is a national faith-based organization providing a residential healing and recovery program for survivors of trafficking and sexual exploitation to receive safe housing, counseling, life skills, and work skills development. In this episode, Larry’s guest Karen Diers, shares that she has been working to build a bridge between churches and the program bringing women back from the exploitation of sex trafficking. Visit Refuge for Women

The Prophet Jeremiah Speaks Truth with Chris Heeb

Chris Heeb can be described as one who speaks as the Prophet Jeremiah did with clarity about the issues that face our world. Chris likes to engage Rabbi’s in conversation in order to tell them about Yeshua Jesus. In this episode, Chris talks with Larry about one of his favorite Bible characters and how it relates to our day.

Infanticide with Larry Kutzler

Several States have passed legislation that gives the right to women and their doctors to end the life of the baby even up to the time of birth. This practice is barbaric and as immoral as those mentioned in Scripture where parents sacrificed their children to pagan gods. If this practice doesn’t outrage the moral fiber of every American, then we as a society have passed the line of no return to any moral standards. The next on the list could you people over 60 who could be seen as having no value either. In this episode, Larry shares what the New Holocaust of the 21st Century means.

Spiritual Narcissism with Larry Kutzler

In this episode, Larry deals with Spiritual Narcissism, a condition that is rampant among Christian leaders who are leading Churches and ministries. As you can guess, most narcissistic leaders are gifted, and Larry explains to us that it takes discernment to figure out if the leader is a servant of God or a narcissist in disguise.

From the Perspective of a Millennial with Zach Windahl

Zach Windahl is a millennial whose passion for life is evident by just watching him. He’s not following a traditional career path for his life but is finding great satisfaction in helping people know more about who they are. Millennials are a mystery to many people … they are both praised for their ability to use technology, and they are maligned for their seemingly lack of productivity and laziness. In this episode, Larry talks with Zach about his life, his business, and his understanding of God.

Leadership and Millennials with Danita Bye

Danita Bye is a thought innovator, bestselling author, and speaker. Danita is one of those leaders who helps other leaders rethink their direction and their purpose as a leader. In this episode, Danita and Larry discuss why Millennials matter. Visit Danita Bye

Integrity with David Diers

This episode with David Diers focusses on Integrity. Integrity, as John Maxwell says, is the foundation of leadership. All other aspects of leadership follow Integrity. David Diers is an executive with a large telecommunications company in the Southwest and has developed his business and home life around Integrity. David and Larry process this word, Integrity, through David's experience in the marketplace.

What are the Prophets Saying? with Shawn Morrison

There are many definitions to being a prophet in the modern church, and some even feel they no longer exist. I happen to believe that there are prophets today, and they are people who bring course correction to the church. In this episode, I sit down with Shawn Morrison, a seasoned pastor and Bible commentator, and talk about prophets. Listen in to our fascinating conversation!

Marketplace Leadership with Bob Willbanks

This episode features Bob Willbanks, the Founder and Executive Director of Ambassadors For Business, a non-profit ministry helping Christian leaders be men and women representing faith in the marketplace. Bob has great insights on how Christians can be an influence in the business world today. Bob says, “we often see Christians in the marketplace from all walks of life who want a community to support them as they connect their faith values with their work.”

Divine Mystery with Jay Christianson

In this episode, Pastor Jay Christianson talks about Divine Mystery. Too often we want to understand God in all His attributes that we can because it fits into a logical reasoning. However, what about those things about God we don’t understand, let’s say the mysteries of God that we often encounter? What do we do with those? Jay Christianson helps us with those Divine Mysteries.

What’s Right About You with David McKnight

In this episode, Counselor David McKnight helps you understand the uniqueness of how you were created, and how that fits into how you relate to other people, your relationships, and your leadership skills. You have something unique, and David shows you ‘What’s Right About You’, rather than what's wrong about you.

The Goodness of God with Chris Heeb

What is the basis for the Gospel? People answer this question with a variety of responses, but we decided to simply say that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is based upon the ‘Goodness of God.’ Pastor Chris Heeb joins Larry in this episode to bring some insights to this theme.

What Is Next? with Pastor Tom Parrish

What is next? Good question. Larry talks with Pastor Tom Parrish about the future. Too many times the issues set the pace for how we feel, and we wonder how can it get much worse? Tom is a veteran pastor who knows how God can change the person even in the midst of the great peril that is in our world.

Why Is Israel Important? with Pastor Jay Christianson

Pastor Jay Christianson is an expert on Israel, and he studies the Scriptures from a Hebraic perspective. For 2000 years, the Church has ignored Israel’s importance to the Church and that is a big theological mistake. This episode is about the importance of Israel, not only to the Church but to the world and mankind.

Manhood with Walt McFadden

This episode discusses the assault on men that our culture has perpetrated. There are many boys who grow up in fatherless homes and struggle with the understanding of manhood. Most marriages end in divorce because men are cheating on their wives or do not take responsibility as a leader in the home. Pastor Walt McFadden discusses what men are facing today, and how men can escape the trap of defining manhood by standards that are not Godly.

Israel with Thom Berkowitz

How important is Israel to the Church? In this episode, Businessman, Bible Teacher, and Messianic Believer, Thom Berkowitz unpacks the idea that God is not finished with Israel. He helps us to realize that all the promises God made to Israel will be fulfilled, and Israel one day will come to know Jesus as Messiah. Thom also talks about how God is the God on the other side, meaning that He desires to see you through life’s storms and help get you on the other side of the problem.

Your Nineveh with Chris Heeb

The story of Jonah is a story of redemption, where God interrupted him in mid-stream of his rebellion and redirected his life to preach redemption to Nineveh. Jesus told his audience in His day that the only sign they would receive would be of that of Jonah. What did He mean?  Well, today we look at the Book of Jonah and Chris Heeb joins Larry to discuss the importance of this Prophet named Jonah.

Authenticity with Mark Johnson

I love the word authenticity because it describes the meaning of honesty. The older I get, the more I love the people who we call the Salt of the Earth. These are people who are not pretentious, arrogant, or prideful. In this episode, my guest is Mark Johnson, a musician who uses his gift of music to tell the story of Jesus. Mark has traveled the world, being an example of Salt and Light wherever he has gone. Listen in and hear a man whose authenticity is real.

Only Two Questions Matter with Tom Parrish

Larry likes to bring ideas down to a level of simple clarification. Ideas can get so complex and religious ideas can often get complicated. In this episode, Larry talks with Pastor Tom Parrish about an article he posted on his blog titled, 'Only Two Questions Matter.' Tom is a pastor, author, sought after speaker, and a respected Christian blogger. Tom is the kind of guy you go to when you need leadership direction. Join Larry and Tom as they talk about the two questions that matter. Visit Tom Parrish

Racism with Bill Green

It is hard to find people today who will give commentary on race without a bias. It is even harder to find commentary on race from a solidly Biblical worldview. Bill Green grew up in Memphis, not far from where Dr. Martin Luther King was killed. His family moved to Los Angles and lived in Watts where the riots took place in the late 60s.  Bill has worked in higher education for the past few decades educating in the area of diversity. Join Larry and Bill in this episode … Bill has a message everyone needs to hear.

What is Theology? with Chris Heeb

In this episode, Larry shares that he is troubled with some theology that is being preached today. How can various ministers vary so widely on issues when the Holy Spirit is supposed to be the driving force behind the Word of God? How can ministers and teachers read the same Bible but come to different conclusions when they have the same Holy Spirit helping them interpret God’s Word?  Theology, which is the study of God, can be misleading. Larry's guest is Chris Heeb, and they talk about what theology is.

The Bottom Line with Larry Kutzler

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13) Everyone’s bottom line is different, so what's your bottom line? What do you consider the most important element to focus your life upon? There are all kinds of sayings that bring us to a conclusion … at the end of the day or in the final analysis or the bottom line. They all mean the same thing; what is the end of the matter? We all have some kind of 'end of the matter' in our lives. Join Larry in this episode as he talks about the bottom line for Christians, and how important it is to have God as your bottom line.

Safety with Larry Kutzler

The optimum word we all use these days is “safety.”  We use it in greeting each other by saying, “are you staying safe?” Or when we depart, we might say, “well, stay safe!” Of course, we want people to be safe from harm, from disease, and from anything that may put us at risk. But is that really a possibility … to be safe? Is life about safety? Can we really determine to live our lives in safety? In this episode, Larry talks about safety and that it can be a reality in our lives.

Christians and Politics? with Trevor Rubenstein

In almost every political arena we hear the debate over and over about Christians being involved in politics. The debate has good arguments on both sides of the issue, but I have always formulated the opinion that we cannot abandon the policies and laws of the land and expect to keep the religious liberty that we have enjoyed up to now. Yet, there is an attitude most Christian conservatives have taken toward the left leaning politics because they consider most of them are orchestrating the policies of hell. However, we are called to be Salt and Light to all people … regardless of the political views they hold. In this episode, Larry's guest is Trevor Rubenstein, and they pick up this theme. Listen in!

Are We Influencers? with Larry Kutzler

And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.” (Mark 16:15) In other words, go into the world and be an influence with what He has taught us. Are we an influence with what Jesus has taught us? How we influence others is a result of how we have been influenced. Has The Cross influenced us and changed our lives? Join Larry in this episode as he talks about the influence of The Cross of Jesus Christ.

To Serve and Protect with Bill Breimhorst

What's it like to be a cop? Much of our discussion about defunding the police is a radical idea that has no basis in reality. Yes, we have some issues in policing that have not been solved or addressed for decades, but the police are real people like you and me. Police are not our enemy … like so many in the media and in fringe groups advocating their abolition. In this episode, Larry talks with a retired cop who is now a pastor about what his views are in how we are handling the police in our society.

Over the Years with Nathan Werner

When you have been a Christian for over 50 years, how do you see the Church based upon your longevity in the Church?  Well, let's talk with a man who has had many years in the Church teaching and growing in Christ. In this episode, Nathan Werner talks with Larry about the 50 years he has had in following Jesus. Whether you're young or whether you're old, listen in for some wonderful insights that will benefit you on your Spiritual journey.

America In Prophecy with Chris Heeb

One of the first questions people ask when they are studying Bible Prophecy is: “Where is America in the Last Days?” Well, that's a good question, because Scripture tells us that in the Last Days all nations stand against Israel. No nation stands with Israel … only the Lord stands with Israel. So, does America implode? Well, listen in to this episode with Larry and his guest Chris Heeb and find out!

Race Relations in America Part 1 with Brian Walker

The aftermath of George Floyd’s death has called for the systems of policing to change. There are lots of questions all of us have about law enforcement, about their training, about the law enforcement culture, and about the culture at large.  In this episode, Larry's guest is Reverend Brian Walker, the Program Director of Pro-Life Action Ministries in St. Paul, Minnesota. Pro-Life Action Ministries is a direct-action ministry focused on sidewalk counseling in front of abortion facilities. Brian shares his thoughts with us on race relations in America today.

Being a Female in Church Leadership

with Jamie Morrison and Pam Braman

Over the years, female Leaders in the Church have tried to figure out just how they feel about themselves as Leaders. Do female Leaders feel pressure to act more masculine than feminine as they lead? Do female Leaders get the respect equal to a male leader? What do people expect from a female Leader? In this episode, Larry talks about the perspective of women as it relates to Leadership in the Body of Christ. Some Churches will not permit a woman to be a Pastor or to hold a teaching position, as the doctrine of these Churches restricts senior Leadership to men only. With Larry are two female Pastors who have been in Leadership for decades, and they give us their perspective on Church life for a female as a Leader in the Church.

Race Relations in America Part 2 with Brian Walker

In this episode, Larry and his guest, Reverend Brian Walker, continue their discussion on Race Relations in America. What happens now? How do we rebuild our communities in the hope of true change? How do we respect life beginning in the womb? Listen in as Larry and Brian examine these critical issues facing America today.

Worldview with Chris Heeb

America is feeling the effects of a world full of pandemics, riots, and financial upheaval.  It is a trying time for most of us. Much of what we feel is the uncertainty of everything around us. We are accustomed to knowing and trusting in our institutions to keep us safe, and to give us the right information to make informed decisions. All of that is up for grabs today. How we approach these troubling times depends on how we think the world works. Often this is called a Worldview: a set of Beliefs that influences our Values that determines our behavior. In this episode, Chris Heeb from Crossroads Chapel joins Larry in a conversation about this Worldview theme. Listen in!

Opinions are Not Truth with David Fiorazo

These times we are living in are troubling and fear is everywhere. We not only have a virus that has been promoted as the bubonic plague, we have riots throughout the United States threatening the safety of our society. The Church also has its problems in keeping its Message consistent with the Bible. Many of us are seeing how opinions of preachers are replacing the Biblical Narrative of Truth. It's been said that today’s Church is more about counting nickels and noses than it is about Truth. My guest in this episode is David Fiorazo. David is an author, associate pastor, media contributor, and radio personality. He has been involved in the broadcasting and entertainment industries for over thirty years, and in Christian ministry for over twenty-five years. Listen in to our conversation about the difference between opinion and Truth … you'll be surprised at what you learn.

The Message Must Change with Larry Kutlzer

The death of George Floyd in Minneapolis was a tragedy. There is no question his death was needless. The message we are getting from his death is for justice, which is understandable. However, is there a Greater Message we should be hearing and listening for? Join Larry as he talks about that in this episode.